| Author | Message | ||
     Marc |
The general volume and frequency of input on this site has me wondering if perhaps a fairly high % of MM owners have gone Fender-Reissue if not outright Mesa Boogie and Boutique ex/ BadCat Hotcat for tone, deserting any former nostalgic love for the MM series...thoughts? | ||
| Michael Kaus |
I would hope apathy has not set in. Maybe it is just the summer sag with people busy in the summer. I admit I don't pop in as often as I should do to a busy schedule. My MM amp is still running after all these years and is very important to me. It is maintained and tuned up often. It is a welcome alternative to my jbl twin that is SOOOOO heavy. Lately, it works more than the twin as clubs are smaller and I'm getting too old the haul the twin. Let's hope the interest stay's up and the prices stay down. Mike. | ||
| aussie carlos |
summer? im experiencing a very cold winter lol mates, im still here and so is my beloved MM which i will have forever ps i bought when i wass 14 years old | ||
| Steve Kennedy |
Some of the "lull" is probably seasonal. Some people would prefer NOT to be in front of the heat-generator we call the PC while they are already sweating in 90-100 degree temperatures. The downturned economy doesn't help as it has many people paying more attention to "the basics" or having to sell off their equipment due to lost employment. When you like a piece of gear and it is reliable, it seems that there are fewer questions to ask and since most everyone else knows how reliable and great sounding the Music Man amps are, there is little to talk about that is new (especially since they haven't been made for almost 20 years). Personally, I would rather be out playing on my Music Man amp than being inside talking about it if I had a choice in the matter! Blame it on the phase of the moon... nothing more sinister than that I'll wager! | ||
| Marc |
Thanks for those responses-- I have the good fortune of living in S. California by the Ocean and under the palm trees where the temperature remains a constant 70 degrees without humidity,all year long. February and August are pretty much the same. I haven't lived elsewhere in over 20 years, but I remember the whole winter v. summer mindset in NY and central PA. Now the U.S. economy, mentioned by Steve, THAT bitch is with us ALL. The effect of "globalized trade" as well as "the women's movement" and even "civil rights" ALL came down the "Baby Boomer's" head at once. Show me a coffeeshop, bar, race track | ||
| Marc |
that isn't loaded with "middle aged, middle management white guys during 9-5 and I'll show you a movie set, not reality. | ||
| Marc |
Hmmm- that rant had overtones of white male supremecy; sorry. My point was simply that the changes which have occurred in the U.S. workplace throughout the '80s, to-date, have raped and pillaged the present and future of white males born after 1945 (post WWII). 1.] 1-3 people at the TOP take it ALL $$$, everyone else sucks. Screw the customer, it's all about "the shareholder". 2.] Women, minorities and youth get WAY underpaid for working multiple jobs so that #1 above can occur. This phenomenon gets the code word "workplace productivity" in the media. 3.] Manufacturing goes the way of the farm. "Services" means...who needs men? 4.] Men lose identity. They become "metrosexuals". The kind of guy who gets facials. Office types. Somebodies poodle in a cubicle. The scariest part? Do a Google search on the following sentence: "Disappearing Y chromosome" No shit. Till then let's rock on wit our bad sef's... | ||
| carl form australia |
your crazy man but its true personally i think america is pretty f8cked look at "bowling for columbine" micheal moore this is the most recent and well known documented tale of american history for all the world to see. ps australia is just as bad im moving to new zealand! | ||
| Marc |
For anyone with literacy and a rare modicum of independent thought going for them [Ah, TEAM "This" ya life support systems fer a rectum], Michael Moore can't hold a candle to: "A Peoples History of the United States" by Howard Zinn. THAT one will scorch yer flag-wavin' shorts. Marc | ||
| Marc |
http://www.geocities.com/howardzinnfans/ online_works.html | ||
| langley |
"What's puzzlin' you is just the nature of his game". | ||
| Marc |
This might be sacrilege to some of you, but it seems to me that the value of owning a well-maintained MM Amp rests almost entirely with NOT having to consider alternatives; they do what we want 'em to do, reliably. Having established THAT... The value is NOT financial. I'm a second owner of an amp I've NEVER seen elsewhere. The HD210 One*Fifty Combo. An old pal of mine owned and gigged with it from about '79-'81. He sold it to me for $300 (as a pal) in '92. Since then, some 11 years ago, I haven't seen where their value has budged above or below $600. I have nothing against this loud beast but the fact is,I dig the sound I get out of my NOS'd Fender Bassman R.I. one hell of a lot more. I could buy a second with what the MM continues to fetch, year in and out. There are SO many used choices @ $600...let ALONE new. Anyone got an intelligent observation/thought about this? Thanks. Marc | ||
| Leftie |
Marc, Here's an intelligent observation / thought : You're a pain in the ass. Go away. | ||
| Marc Mulay |
Leftie, I'll fess this much up; clearly my non-amp observations in this forum were the sort of basic rant that every discussion board since the WWW went to the masses, have had. Still, that's not an excuse, I shouldn't have bothered posting that stuff here. H-O-W-E-V-E-R: I make an accurate, experienced based comment about one of my amps, a MM, and you pull the usual, cowardly, anonymous-with-a-handle, typing-geek move and flame at me personally. I'd say my MM amp observation must have hit a nerve! Truth has a way of doing that in a society based upon denial. you've just been given the opportunity to stand up like a man and prove that you're not a life support system for an unwiped rectum, so adress the amp issue (laughing). Have so many great new and re-issue amps come along that the value of Music Man amps has gone stagnant (actually, even depreciated, factoring in two decades worth of inflation)? Marc Mulay Dana Point, CA | ||
| Marc |
He'll belly up like an adult or disappear without a response like some fart in a hot tub, surfacing into a windstorm. Reading the above as a challenge beyond your capacity for wit, wisdom and all > will have taxed yer greyload into a full-on jerkmorphic spasm worthy of small-town TV coverage. The most amusing part; he's not alone. Out there in the coward-sphere lurks MANY a shrink-weeny compatriot. Eventually, you or they might surface like a fart bubble in a spa, but I'll have moved on. This will be no surprise to you, herr chickenshit-- in fact, it's yer M.O. Until then...Google TONE LIZARD and learn something. Peace through laughter, smiles and hand shake, Marc | ||
| Steve Kennedy |
Music Man amps are generally ignored BECAUSE they don't sound like a Marshall, Soldano, Vox, Fender, etc. Well, OK, that, the dreaded "solid-state preamp" and the "funny" logo as well. I love mine PRECISELY because they don't sound like that crowd! They are much more neutral and will happily transparently amplify ANY sort of sonic modification I choose to apply ahead of the amp. Now THAT is choice,versatility and sonic clarity that doesn't follow the crowd. However, this also carries a heavy burden of responsibility that only a minority can cope with. | ||
| Marc |
Agreed- It calls for thoughtful tone-shaping up front, a la gear selection and fine tuning. I see a lot of guys cop this "purist" attitude; "yeah, just my guitar plugged into an amp, the tone's from my fingers". Well, no one's going to argue that a lot of "tone" comes from your fingers, but then I always laugh when I see that the chosen amp is some serious pc. of investment. All anybody needs to see to look through the whole "purist's" line above is something like GEAR SECRETS OF THE GUITAR LEGENDS by Pete Brown & Lisa Sharken. http://www.book.nu/087930751X The MusicMan's TRANSPARENCY makes it THE perfect AMPLIFIER of a sound the player's worked very hard to achieve, upfront. Marc. | ||
| Dave |
Hi, I play guitar, back in 1977 I bought a Music Man 2/12 65. This amp is still with me today playing gigs, practices, loading & unloading, playing almost every weekend all these years. Later, I also bought a Music Man HD130 for outside gigs. I just like them, that's the only reason I play them. I have learned more about Music Man amps coming here than anywhere else. That's important to me, I want to take care of mine. I'm just a guitar player, if I tried to work on my amp I'd end up burning my house down. So I when I have a question, or something, it's great to know this site is here, thank you. Just my $00.02 Best Regards, Dave. | ||
| Clayton Choate |
I'm with you Dave!. The bickering back and forth trying to show who knows more technical BS is tiresome. I love my 212HD 130. I love it even more since I discovered this site and have learned what it is designed to do, and what it's limitations are. We all owe Steve Kennedy our thanks!! | ||
| Marc |
fyi- For tube distortion, I've been incorporating a "vintage" (BK Butler)Chandler Tube Driver for years. Recently though,I finally found what I think may become THE definitive OD to ever put your MM amp in the TONE HALL OF FAME spotlight  . Seriously; Check out the Radial Tonebone Classic. Slap Telefunken or Mullard ECC83's in her and NEVER part with your MusicMan Amp. http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/D ata/Tonebone/Classic_Distortion-01.html | ||
| Phil |
I have a fender gathering dust as we speak.My Music Man RP65 is my amp of chioce.Why? Guys use to ask me all the time why I use it, then they heard it and then it was uhh where can I get one of these. I loan my fender out but not my MM.I have had a lot of other amps, but have found the right one, and would like to get another one. Love this site Steve great job. | ||
| Steve Kennedy |
I often point out that I also own a Marshall JCM 800, a solid-state Fender Ultra-Chorus, and several "boutique amp/preamp" amplifiers (Lexicon Signature 284, Groove Tubes STP-G & GT Solo 45}, but I primariy use my Music Man amplifiers. The MM amps are simply the most reliable and neutral-sounding amps I own. The other amps I have are good at one primary thing as well but being neutral isn't it! |