| Author | Message | ||
     Hubert (hubert) Username: hubert Registered: 05-2006 |
Why do you like or the other? If both magnets selling for the same price which would you choose. Would you dope the edge if you had had alnico or ceramic? | ||
| Mike Kaus (mm210) Username: mm210 Registered: 05-2006 |
Just to MY own ears, I like ceramic better. Alnico's sound a little bitey to me, although it might just b ethe amp combination and speaker cabinet that I had used. I'm not a big fan of open back amps so it's a little strange that I used a twin for so many years. Even when I use my MM 2-10, I use it with a closed back cabinet. | ||
| Hubert (hubert) Username: hubert Registered: 05-2006 |
Thanks Mike.. that is another question to consider open, partial, or closed back. Have you noticed if the ceramic performs better in a closed back rather than the alnico? | ||
| Doug Miers (doug_m) Username: doug_m Registered: 05-2006 |
Like everything else in life, it depends on what you're going to use it for. I love the sound of old alnico magnets, but in my opinion, they wouldn't be a good choice in a Music Man amp. A speaker made with an alnico magnet has a very detailed sound -and very 3 dimensional, but because they are frequently designed for lower wattage amps, they would saturate before you got all the "goodie" that a MM offers. In my opinion, for a tweed deluxe you want a jensen alnico speaker, in a Twin Reverb you want a pair of C12Ns, in MM--it's hard to beat an EV. And if you want the best of both worlds, have a closed back extension cabinet. That's what I use. One other thing, you should find the Weber speaker web site. Ted Weber talks about doping speakers. I have the impression that he thinks most manufacturers using doping as a way of getting around having close tolerances. Webers are very good speakers. | ||
| Hubert (hubert) Username: hubert Registered: 05-2006 |
Doug, Just curious. What MM do you have? What size, impedence and brand are your speakers in the closed extension. I want an extension speaker for my amps and my trouble is trying to get or design one that will work with all of them. MM210-65 (EL34), Fender Deluxe Reverb 1X12 (6V6), Fender 30(6L6) 1X12 and a early 70's Bassman head. There are a lot of speakers out there and they are all good for the application they were designed for. I was in contact with Ted and at that time I thought I wanted 2X12 cab, but he recommended a different speaker for each. Then I thought about 2X10's so my MM210 and become a 4X10. I looked at EV since they seem indestructable, and do you have to play them loud to get the most out of them? Well, maybe just get a 1X15 and be done with it. I haven't been playing loud, so maybe I am okay with what I have. Thanks | ||
| Ingo Raven (ingo) Username: ingo Registered: 07-2007 |
Alnico no good choice for MM amps ?? - Were not all MM amps before 1980 with alnicos? | ||
| Hubert (hubert) Username: hubert Registered: 05-2006 |
Someone with much more experience can add or correct me. There is nothing wrong with alnico in MM amps. My 210-65 have them and they're fine. I think the speaker producers moved to ceramic due to cost and availability. Its a personal choice and if you find you like one or another then it fine. For myself, I'm trying to find other peoples opinions, which I hope will explain my preferences. Mike Kaus'reference to alnico's bitiness helps me to listen for it and see if I hear it. I still need to find the fine differences with the open/partial/closed back tone in speaker cabinets. Although an amp may work best with a particular speaker, you may prefer something in it. I don't play loud and that's my "thin" reason for not persuing EVM's, and its only because I have not heard them, but I consider them along with the other brands. | ||
| Mark Lewis (skidmark) Username: skidmark Registered: 01-2008 |
I have a 4x12 GS cab w/ the older badges on it. The speaker code on one is A12-GS and then 67-7922. My understanding is that these are eminence speakers made in 1979. I think these are alincos but they don't look like the alincos that I see in the combos. They have a square magnet on them but not the long cap I see on the other alincos from this period. Is this just because they are in a 4x12?? Any input is appreciated. Thanks! | ||
| Alex H. (alex_h) Username: alex_h Registered: 07-2007 |
According to the model chart here, the 412 GS cabinet had alnico speakers, which might be what the A12 code referes to. Yes, they are 1979 Eminence speakers. I don't know what your "square magnets" look like, but alnico magnets don't have the flat "hockey puck" magnet of ceramics. Instead, their magnets look like a "C" from the side, with the alnico slug magnet inside the "C". This is what I mean: www.roger-russell.com/mc050side.jpg | ||
| Mark Lewis (skidmark) Username: skidmark Registered: 01-2008 |
Thanks for the response Alex. This is why I am confused. I wish I had a picture.. but it basically looks like a flat ceramic magnet, but it's square with no c-shaped structure surrounding it. | ||
| Alex H. (alex_h) Username: alex_h Registered: 07-2007 |
There were square-magnet ceramic speakers made in the 70's-80's as well. Here's a square magnet ceramic speaker: http://i13.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/08/42/80 b9_1.JPG |